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we'll, I'm really pleased I posted this conundrum of mine, I know have a better understanding of where I might be going wrong - I have set up on the AF on button a toggle between the AF modes - Zone and expanded flexible spot small - so I'll switch that this morning to medium flexible spot/ and zone and give that a go - I concur completely that the small expandable spot which I've tried does grab focus on surrounding areas every time , and good to hear your confirmation of faster shutter speeds I had been using 1/800 for stationary after much trial and error, so will raise that slightly as well ( light permitting) and now I have a better understanding of the lens modes for stationary and BIF, so mode 1 stationary and either mode 2 or 3 for BIF, if I can remember to switch of course - I have AF sensitivity set to 5 - every day is a school day as they say - thanks for the input, appreciated