Sony 200-600 - is my sharpness normal?

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Your results seem to be all over the place, and pretty much the only thing changing is ISO. Atmosphere and technique.


Agreed. The day I need a $12k lens to shoot beyond 26 feet is the day I quit. Moreover, there are plenty of examples on this forum and elsewhere on the web that prove differently. On the other hand the $12k lens sure as heck should be better. If it weren't I suspect the people who laid out the purchase price would be rather pissed.
you are so right the shots I added were for help purposes and from 2020 with the same rig and I was having issues then my self but the tiger his 100
plus feet away and yes birds are smaller etc and more difficult, but you are right lots of people make this kit work and work well
 

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Tell us about the camera is it brand new? what software version is it running, if not current version up date if you can I had issues with the 200-600 when it came out on the a7iii and sony brought updates out that seemed to transform the combo
 

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Looks ok to me.

A question: Maybe I missed this above, but are these SOOC jpegs, processed jpegs, or RAW?

Everything I've posted so far are RAW, converted to jpeg with Lightroom default settings applied (40 sharpening), but nothing else is done. I almost never add extra sharpening or do noise reduction or anything to my photos. If it isn't sharp from the beginning, there's just no point. :p And I try to keep the ISO levels pretty low because I just feel like the noise reduction process makes all the photos look more like paintings than photos. ;P
 
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Tell us about the camera is it brand new? what software version is it running, if not current version up date if you can I had issues with the 200-600 when it came out on the a7iii and sony brought updates out that seemed to transform the combo

The camera is brand new and so is the lens! I updated the camera to the latest firmware a few days ago.
 

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Here's some photos I like that I've edited the way I usually edit my photos and post online. All taken yesterday and today with Sony A7 III + Sony 200-600. I guess they look nice enough? Maybe not the most exotic birds but that's a different story. ;)

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I reiterate my previous comment, if you think you could get your blow ups a bit sharper, try Topaz Sharpen AI - you can download a trial version for free. It may seem like a cheat but it’s the result that counts.
 

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The camera is brand new and so is the lens! I updated the camera to the latest firmware a few days ago.
I took these late this afternoon with the a7iii and 200-600 look at the iso its really high on some due to low light sparrow 2022 8.jpg sparrow 2022 7.jpg robin 2022 31.jpg robin 2022 32.jpg I feel the whole setup is wrong because the a7iii handle noise quite well see images yes I have edited and denoised Gary
 
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I reiterate my previous comment, if you think you could get your blow ups a bit sharper, try Topaz Sharpen AI - you can download a trial version for free. It may seem like a cheat but it’s the result that counts.

But I don't want to spend 2000 USD on a lens if it's not as sharp as it should be, and then have to spend more money on software to make it look better? :D If my results are not normal, I rather try to get a replacement.
 

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Looks like you had good light too! I can't wait for a nice, sunny day. Been pretty so-so at best since I got the camera unfortunately. :D
not really I have other shots and stayed out till twilight on purpose, the a7iii is really a great camera it takes some learning and you can manipulate poor light. The robin shot was shot at 8000 iso so not good light at all. It all about setting up the camera from start to finish. the internet has loads of info to help why not share your set up and we can help point you in the right direction
 
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not really I have other shots and stayed out till twilight on purpose, the a7iii is really a great camera it takes some learning and you can manipulate poor light. The robin shot was shot at 8000 iso so not good light at all. It all about setting up the camera from start to finish. the internet has loads of info to help why not share your set up and we can help point you in the right direction

Ah, the first photo looked so bright I thought it was a nicely lit day. :D

Any particular settings you would recommend?
 

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Ok, got some new examples here, taken just a little while ago. I think these are good enough. 600mm, 1/1250s, F/6.3, AUTO ISO 100-1250 and Zone AF on all photos.

First original, then 100% crop under. What do you guys say?

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Back to square one. Was out today, weather was nice but a bit windy by the water. Couldn't get a proper sharp image to save my life. I don't know what's wrong. So depressing. :(

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Weather? Distance? Processing? Lenses and cameras 'usually' don't change from day to day unless there's an accident. Having said that, I took the liberty (hope you don't mind) of downloading the starling shot and putting through a bit more processing, including some more cropping. I don't see where it looks that bad considering the distance.

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Weather? Distance? Processing? Lenses and cameras 'usually' don't change from day to day unless there's an accident. Having said that, I took the liberty (hope you don't mind) of downloading the starling shot and putting through a bit more processing, including some more cropping. I don't see where it looks that bad considering the distance.

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I felt the starling was really close. I mean, if I can't get tack sharp images from that distance on a bird then I don't even know what we're doing here. :p
 

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Here's two more from a couple of hours ago. These are uncropped, unedited, nothing is done to them. Close distance. I feel like it should be better, no?

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Ok a7iii these are my personal thoughts based on having used the camera for 3 years plus prior to a9 , are shooting in manual? you should if you can, forget about raw for now while you sort focus out, metering mode for your interests wildlife is multi, I dont ever remember using zone for anything, focus mode expanded flexible spot and focus point link , af-c set af iso auto limit to 12000 ish , pre focus off, track sens 5 responsive , af speed fast, white balance auto, lens set to 1. constant focus only, shoot e shutter for now it will reduce movement, a7iii does have shutter roll so normal when focus is sorted. Find plant or something at normal standing height and dial focus in. regards and good look Gary
 

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I felt the starling was really close. I mean, if I can't get tack sharp images from that distance on a bird then I don't even know what we're doing here. :p
What's 'really close'? What's 'that distance'?

I know a guy who sets up his camera 8' away from a bird feeder and fires it with a wireless remote. My current setup on my feeder is 25', although I'm going to improve that at some point. From 25' I'm still cropping a lot more than what I'd like. Here's a starling from that distance, cropped.

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What's 'really close'? What's 'that distance'?

I know a guy who sets up his camera 8' away from a bird feeder and fires it with a wireless remote. My current setup on my feeder is 25', although I'm going to improve that at some point. From 25' I'm still cropping a lot more than what I'd like. Here's a starling from that distance, cropped.

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I mean, the photo I posted of the starling is uncropped at 600mm. I don't know the distance, lol. Closer than 25 feet at least. :p
 

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